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Linux-Activists Digest #798, Volume #3           Tue, 15 Dec 92 04:15:29 EST

Contents:
  Always IN2000 SCSI card. (Dan the Man)
  S3 server 0.3 released (Jon Tombs)
  Re: Serial communications problems (Theodore Ts'o)
  Re: S3 server 0.3 released (Ketil M. Malde)
  Modem control (was Re: uucico not hanging up the telephone line) (Richard Braun)
  Re: How do I provide the floppys to normal users???? (Andrew J. Cosgriff !)
  Re: IMPORTANT [BUG in 0.99] Re: [ANNOUNCE]: linux version 0.99 (Chris Newbold)
  Help! How can I get just VGA? (Ioi Kim Lam)
  Well spent Birthday!, and a message to JEM@sunsite. ;) ([e-mail])
  Re: Wanted: fidoware (Anthony Rumble)
  Re: ANNOUNCE: Sound for Linux 0.99 (Sound driver v 0.4) (Anthony Rumble)
  device FAQ? (Steven McKay)
  Linux install will not recognize my SCSI drive! HELP (kevin s coupal)
  Re: Does bootlin.com work with the new kernel? (Matthew Jackson)
  Re: Olwm (was Re: motif) (Kenneth Osterberg)
  Re: linux activists not very active (Ari Lemmke)
  Re: Linux on a PS/2 (Berk Walker)
  Re: What's happening to my memory? (Robert Chen)

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From: [e-mail] (Dan the Man)
Subject: Always IN2000 SCSI card.
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:49:05 GMT


     Anybody gotten it to work yet?  Let me know before I go attacking the
company demanding source code.  I'll summarize if I get anything interesting.

                                                 Dan the Man
 Peace, Love, and Tater Tots!            Average uninvolved, apathetic
                                         (independent), misunderstood
                                         [PC|VM] bonehead weenie.

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From: [e-mail] (Jon Tombs)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.announce
Subject: S3 server 0.3 released
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:05:28 GMT

Release 0.3 of the S3 xserver is now available on ftp.robots.ox.ac.uk in
/pub/linux/S3 and SunSite.unc.edu in /pub/Linux/X11/X-servers/s3 when their
mirror next fires up.

The new release has little changed from 0.2b except it now supports S3 86C801
based cards (albeit with a hardware cursor bug), but I won't be able to do any
more work on the server till mid January hence the release now.

I have also put up a version of Xfree86 with an un-accelarated S3 driver, this
isn't of much use apart from giving the dot clock speeds for S3 cards.

If you are thinking of buying a S3 card please bare in mind there is a great
range of performace for S3 cards and that the new (higher performance) 928
chip has just been released.  There follows xbench results for a variety of
(S3) cards:

All tests ran on 486/33s linux and XS3 versions varies:

Fast ET4000 (Orchid Pro designer II)
TOTAL     56873 lineStones
TOTAL      5266 fillStones
TOTAL      1924 blitStones
TOTAL    870336 arcStones
TOTAL     57062 textStones
TOTAL      6993 complexStones
TOTAL      6646 xStones


Slow S3 911 (old Orchid Farenhite 1280 - but not sure if a 486/33)
TOTAL     56746 lineStones
TOTAL     16390 fillStones
TOTAL     10463 blitStones
TOTAL   1425872 arcStones
TOTAL     53625 textStones
TOTAL     34444 complexStones
TOTAL     24625 xStones

[Diamond stealth gives 30k xstones, but due to Diamond stupidity will not be
supported reliably]

70MHz S3 911 (Actix GraphicsEngine70)
TOTAL    103781 lineStones
TOTAL     21777 fillStones
TOTAL     16997 blitStones
TOTAL   2580416 arcStones
TOTAL     83875 textStones
TOTAL     46797 complexStones
TOTAL     37496 xStones

S3 924 (new Orchid farenhite 1280)
TOTAL    111640 lineStones
TOTAL     30450 fillStones
TOTAL     21935 blitStones
TOTAL   2871708 arcStones
TOTAL    103812 textStones
TOTAL     62222 complexStones
TOTAL     48559 xStones

S3 801 (Actix GraphicsEngine32)
TOTAL    102774 lineStones
TOTAL     45363 fillStones
TOTAL     27382 blitStones
TOTAL   2485082 arcStones
TOTAL    113125 textStones
TOTAL     97712 complexStones
TOTAL     60897 xStones

And Sun Sparc1+ cg3
TOTAL    121149 lineStones
TOTAL     13219 fillStones
TOTAL     10735 blitStones
TOTAL   2112958 arcStones
TOTAL    134750 textStones
TOTAL     22418 complexStones
TOTAL     25901 xStones



Jon.

--
Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Theodore Ts'o)
Subject: Re: Serial communications problems
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Theodore Ts'o)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:39:31 GMT

   From: [e-mail] (Werner Almesberger)
   Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:34:23 GMT

   You're a bit too pessimistic here. I'm using such a driver to run all
   four COM ports and it does 2400 bps with a 16450 and 19200 bps with a
   16550A. 19200 bps gets a bit unreliable under load, but it's still
   acceptable for Zmodem. I'm polling at 300 Hz and it doesn't lower
   system performance very noticeably.

Is this on Linux?  How are you polling at 300Hz, when the system clock
ticks at 100Hz?

                                                        - Ted

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From: [e-mail] (Ketil M. Malde)
Subject: Re: S3 server 0.3 released
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:45:09 GMT
Reply-To: [e-mail]

>>>>> On Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:05:28 GMT, [e-mail] (Jon
Tombs) posted some benchmarks on various X servers.

We ran some X benchmarks here on campus a while ago, and I thought
perhaps I could share the numbers with you all.

This is the most impressive benchmark Jon posted, for the rest of
them, look up the article:

S3 801 (Actix GraphicsEngine32)
TOTAL    102774 lineStones
TOTAL     45363 fillStones
TOTAL     27382 blitStones
TOTAL   2485082 arcStones
TOTAL    113125 textStones
TOTAL     97712 complexStones
TOTAL     60897 xStones

Here goes:

Silicon Graphics, SGI Indigo, 50mHz R4000 and some moderately fast
graphics card:


lines  435929           Note that this is running X, and not
fill    87513           the hardware supported GL extension
blit    28107           that SGI comes with.  This could probably
arcs  8782062
text   171875           increase performance somewhat.
comlex 113725

xstones 86377
---
NCD color X terminal, hooked to a Sun SparcStation-10 over 10mbit
ethernet:

lines  120125
fill    46688
blit    43708
arcs  1233016
text   162135
complex  2222

xstones 75680
---
Sun SS2, running OpenWindows on a color screen:

lines  167198
fill    25151
blit    52037
arcs   665710
text   114468
complex 66209

xstones 61869
---
Sparc Station 1, b/w display:

lines   31175
fill    15834
blit    23891
arcs   752793
text    74687
complex 29738

xstones 30178
---

I don't give any guarantee of the accuracy of these figures, and they
may well be dependent on a lot of factors like network load etc etc.

I am impressed by the apparent speed of the S3 cards, however,
concidering they are not lagging far behind the indigo which is
specifically designed to handle graphics at high speeds, and costing
lots of $$$.  :-)



--
 = Ketil Malde                     In real life:  [e-mail] =
 = Nuke the whales!                    Honk if you love unicorns! =

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From: [e-mail] (Richard Braun)
Subject: Modem control (was Re: uucico not hanging up the telephone line)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:44:59 GMT

On a somewhat related subject, I observed the following glitch with my
now-antiquated Epic 2400 internal modem:

As soon as the CONNECT 2400 message came up, the modem would hang up
(on the local Linux end) and the modem would display "OK".

To diagnose the problem, I pulled out an even more antique Hayes 1200
modem and connected it to a serial port and put a Radio Shack RS-232
signal-display gizmo on the line.  Connections worked fine!

For some reason, it immediately occured to me to check the modem manual
for DTR handling.  I typed the following command to the modem:

        ATS25=50

This causes the modem to ignore DTR drop until it's been down for 500
milliseconds.  Sure enough, that solved my problem; the above command
has to be saved in the modem memory (not! on my old modem) or sent prior
to the ATDT command.

So apparently the Linux serial device driver drops DTR briefly when it
sees carrier detect, so briefly that I couldn't eyeball it on the
LEDs.  Didn't matter whether clocal was set or not.

Could this really be the case?

-rich

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From: [e-mail] (Andrew J. Cosgriff !)
Subject: Re: How do I provide the floppys to normal users????
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:25:28 GMT

[e-mail] (Andrew J. Cosgriff !) writes:

>Well, it depends...If you don't mind the security risk you could just make
>mount and umount setuid root, although this is NOT a Good Thing (tm) if
>you've got dial-in access...
>(Or DOS partitions you don't want them to mount)

>So, take your chances if you like, but I don't recommend it...
>i guess you could make a setuid root script that checked what tty they're on
>and what they're mounting, so they can only mount floppies and only when
>they're at the console...

This could cause problems if you're using a pty, though, I just thought...
eg. You could be using an Xterm or you could be using Screen via a modem...
Hmmm...

Oh well...

Enjoy !

Cos !
--
===============================================================================
 * Andrew J. Cosgriff ! *                   #include <std_witty_quote.h>
#define HERE cc.monash.edu.au               #include <std_disclaimer.h>
Hassle me at :      [e-mail] ; [e-mail] ; [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Chris Newbold)
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT [BUG in 0.99] Re: [ANNOUNCE]: linux version 0.99
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:50:13 GMT

In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Linus Torvalds) writes:

>Simple but important bug-fixes follow.  Please check them out if you
>have had problems with 0.99.

Three cheers for Linus!!! My system is now as stable as a rock. X no longer
goes down in flames!

-Chris

--
>>>> Chris Newbold <<<< * "If you fool around with a thing for very long you *
University of Rochester *                 will screw it up."                 *
Disclaimer: "All warranties expire upon payment of invoice."
[e-mail] * uhura.cc.rochester.edu!ctne_ltd@uunet

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From: [e-mail] (Ioi Kim Lam)
Subject: Help! How can I get just VGA?
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:04:22 GMT

I am new to Linux. I've been trying to run X386 on my 486/33 but failed
miserably. I am using a Evolution VGA card from STB and could not find its
clore rates in modeDB.txt. I tried to mess around with the clock rates
myself, setting the chipset to be et4000, and finally it seemed that I
have got it right. I can see a stable screen (640x480). But the problem is
the driver does not seem to know the arrngement of the RAM in my card and
the output is messed up. The output is like this


 _________________________
|s        x         ______|
|__________________|s     |
|  x            __________|
|______________|s     x   |
|        _________________|
|_______|s_________x______|


where s marks the beginning of the vider buffer and x is the mouse cursor.


I would appreciate if anyone can answer my questions:

        1) What chipset does Evolution VGA Card use? I got it in a bundle
from Insight Computer Inc, which I found in PC Megazine.

        2) If my card is not supported by X386, is there a way that I can
just run X in standard VGA (640 x 480 x 16color)? My X386 comes with SLS
distribution 0.98 in tsx-11.mit.edu (DEC 10, 1992). It just has modes
defined for VGA2 and VGA256.
        I would be quite satisfied with 640x480x2 color VGA, no virtual
desktop, no speed up and nothing else.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Well spent Birthday!, and a message to JEM@sunsite. ;)
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:58:18 GMT

Well, I just spent 4-5 hours reading through digests from the last 3-4 days,
and I must say that I agree that there is too much traffic on this group.
The solution is not to split, however, but to make sure that you (we) post
accordingly, X questions to c.w.x, gnu questions to the gnu newsgroup,
etc.  Also, makeing sure that your posts are pertinent or neccessary
helps.  (I know that this is off topic, but I do have relevant info
later in this post.)

Another way to save on the number of posts is to take the discussion
of what is relevant to e-mail, as well as flameing via e-mail.
Also, watching those follow-up to: lines.  ;)

Well, enough babbling... down to business.

Can you believe that I have to use DOS ONLY to use uupc?  I can't get the
latest UUCP sources from sunsite to compile.  :(  I used the new ftpmail
server at sunsite, but it is broken.  It sent over a hundred copies of the
uuencoded sources to uucp.  My uucp feed is upset, but it would take an
act of GOD or Congress to get them(ATT) to delete the spool files.
(Fortunately, after five days, they will expire there.  ;))  I let uupc
run for a day and a half(@2400) before I pulled the plug(ran out of disk space
on a drive with 40 MB free).
Anyway, from this account, the ftpmail doesn't even work. !!  ;)
This is just a note for JEM@sunsite that the address ftpkeeper doesn't
work.(well, I was ignored!)
BTW, I am still at .98.0 with X1.1, and happy mostly!
BUT, it is a shame that I have to spend so much time keeping up with Linux
on the group, that I have no time left to Linux!!!
Later All!!!

PS, follow-up to e-mail!!!!!!!!
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Anthony Rumble)
Subject: Re: Wanted: fidoware
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:53:34 GMT

[e-mail] (Dave Deavours) writes:

> UB> We got Cnews & Tin running...
> UB> We got Binkley (from TSX-11) to poll...

>Where'd you find it!?  I've been looking.

Yes, Id like to know this too!!

> UB> There must be some ware (soft!) to interface between Binkley and
>the other
> UB> parts of this how-to-be-a-linux-fidonet-point-puzzle...

>You need a bit of software that will take the FIDOnet packets and turn
>them into something you can read.  A "tosser."  I don't know of one for
>Unix.

Im still looking, I shall be working on it, but it will be a while..
--
Anthony Rumble
aka SmilieZ
"Anything is possible.. If there is enuf money in it"

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From: [e-mail] (Anthony Rumble)
Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: Sound for Linux 0.99 (Sound driver v 0.4)
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:57:43 GMT

[e-mail] (Ken Corey - Operator) writes:

>[e-mail] (Hannu Savolainen) writes:
>>The version 0.4 of the Sound Card Driver is available at nic.funet.fi
>>(pub/OS/Linux/xtra/snd-kit/snd-driv-0.4.tar.Z)

>Pardon me if my stupidity is hanging out here...but what exactly can a Sound
>Blaster Pro be used for when running linux?  Are there programs to let us
>play SunOS sounds (Whatever the format they're in is called)?

Yes, and you can play other sound samples too.. If you use
'SOX' which can convert sound samples, you can play just
about anything..

There is also some MIDI programs, and a music player
that plays AMIGA ST-MOD music files..

>(Also, there's a sneaky little voice in the back of my head
>thinking..."Wow..rogue would be *cool* with a few sound effects...")

Very easy to do.. Just make the source code fork() and
cat the sample to /dev/dsp..

Or you can send the sample data directly from rogue..

What I would like to see, is Sound under X..
--
Anthony Rumble
aka SmilieZ
"Anything is possible.. If there is enuf money in it"

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From: [e-mail] (Steven McKay)
Subject: device FAQ?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 18:15 CDT

Could someone point me to the device FAQ? I have been told one exists,
but can't seem to find one anywhere. ( The regular FAQ doesn't seem to contain
enough info).

Please e-mail to me at [e-mail] so we can save bandwidth. :-)

                                     Thanks in Advance,
                                     S. McKay
                                     [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (kevin s coupal)
Subject: Linux install will not recognize my SCSI drive! HELP
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:12:16 GMT

I'm trying to install the small version of linux on my 486 machine.  I have
the first for A disks.  And it boots just fine except it sais SCSI drives
found 0 tape drives found 0 but it finds my two floppy drives.  I havve
a colorado memory 250 meg tape drive, and a CDC 87 meg SCSI drive.  Any
help would be greatly appreciated.  And the hard drive controller is
DTC if that helps any.  After the machine is booted and i get my #  prompt
i type fdisk and it sais command not found, i assume that is cuz it can't
find the hard drive to fdisk.  Doinstall does work but i don't know what
to do with that yet.  Please help if you know anything about this.
Kevin coupal
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Matthew Jackson)
Subject: Re: Does bootlin.com work with the new kernel?
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:42:45 GMT

Andrew J. Cosgriff ! ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Joel M. Hoffman) writes:

: >In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Linus Torvalds) writes:
: >>Linux version 0.99 is now available at nic.funet.fi, in the directory
: >>pub/OS/Linux/PEOPLE/Linus as both full source and patches against
: >>0.98.6.  It will probably show up on the other major sites soon.

: >>NOTE!!! Use LILO-0.7 to load the 0.98pl5 and newer kernels: any older
: >>version of lilo is liable to result in weird problems.

: >What about bootlin.com?  Does that still work?

: I don't see why not...It's just that LILO 0.6 did weird things to 98p6 when
: you booted it (apparently - nothing weird happened to me except I now have a
: 1024 byte ramdisk, but i can live with that - I've got 8MB to play with,
: anyway...)

Bootlin works for me on 0.98pl6 - I used it after the pl6 problem was
discovered to be lilo until I could download lilo 0.7.

Cheers,

--
Matthew Jackson                       | Computing Officer
[e-mail]                 | School of Banking and Finance
61-2-697-3553                         | University of New South Wales
                                      | Sydney, Australia

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From: [e-mail] (Kenneth Osterberg)
Subject: Re: Olwm (was Re: motif)
Date: 15 Dec 92 06:10:13 GMT

[e-mail] (T.J.R. Cutts) writes:

>I have olwm up and running on my Linux box.  It works pretty well, though a
>friend whose machine is a 386SX w. (I think) 4Mb RAM says it is unuseably slower
>than twm.  On my machine (486/33 w. 8Mb RAM and an S3 card) it doesn't appear to
>be any slower.  I guess you need a lot of memory... olwm does not support shared
>libraries, and so soon tends to thrash your hard disk!

Wait a few days, and it will! :-)

>BTW, does anyone know how olwmslave works?  I realise it's some sort of help
>thing, but I can't find anything that'll tell me how to use it!

Olwmslave is automatically started by olwm if it is in your path when olwm
is started, (i.e when ~/.xinitrc is executed). Normally olwmslave does nothing,
unless you point at something with your mouse and press the 'Help' key. When
that happens, olwmslave will pop up a window and display a short description
about what you were pointing at.

The problem is here that PC keyboards do not have a help key a'la Sun, so
you have to fiddle with your .xmodmap to assign a key (a function key, for
instance) as Help. Try for instance the command

xmodmap -e "keysym F1 = Help"

and point the mouse on the rootwindow background, or a window border, and
press F1.

--
Kenneth Osterberg      [e-mail] or [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Ari Lemmke)
Subject: Re: linux activists not very active
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:10:56 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ed Saffle aka L. Ron Hoover) writes:
:I've noticed a distinct decrease in the volume of mail in the activists
:mailing list.  Say, down to 0 now!  I think i've seen snatches of conversation
:about the list...but our newsfeed is VERY behind!   Can anyone mail me
:and tell me why?  Just curious is all...

        Once again ;-) should this be FAQ?

        Linux-Activists should now be running. The list has
        been disabled due the problems it caused; too high
        mail volume. Now many channels are digested - I'm
        still going to make it better, even allow some
        people send to digested channel undigested mails
        (moderators?). I reprogrammed everything using perl,
        because it has nice string functions .. and it is
        fast enough.

        Digested channels are:
                680x0           configs         doc
                fsf             gcc             interviews
                kernel          mgr             msdos
                net             normal          scsi
                serial          slip            sound
                tape            term            uucp
                x11

        These are currently sent daily. When Mail-Net configuring
        gets better I might change some digested channels
        sent twice in a day etc. Lists having less than about
        50 users are sent directly.

        The system is going to look soon like mail based "irc" ..
        and give more service for ALPHA/BETA testers, for which
        the list mainly appear. There are much more better places
        to ask FAQs, like "telnet your.archie.site","login: archie",
        "prog inux".

        I'm going to release Mail-Net sources, so you can spread
        yafv (Yet Another Finnish Virus) ... irc to mailing lists ;-)

:     Ed

        arl

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From: [e-mail] (Berk Walker)
Subject: Re: Linux on a PS/2
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 05:52:22 PST

[e-mail] (Jeff Randall) writes:

> [e-mail] (Ron Szeto) writes:
>
> >I learned from the FAQ that Linux would not work on a PS/2.  Can someone tel
> >me why?  Thanks for any help.  --Ron
>
> Nobody has the specs to get Linux to talk to the Harddrive in the fourth
> port on the MCA bus.. get that info to someone (linus perhaps) and the
> probably that Linux will support MCA bus machines will increase greatly.
>
> until that info is in the proper hands, don't be holdin' your breath waiting
> for Linux to run on MCA machines...
> --
> [e-mail] (ASCII mail)           THIS IS _NOT_ CCSO'S OPINION!!!
> [e-mail] (NeXT mail)      If It were, It would've had a
> [e-mail] (anon)                  more important name on it. =)


Or.. someone could send Linus a PS2 box, eh?  (I probably would if I had
1 or 2.)

Berk Walker                           [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Robert Chen)
Subject: Re: What's happening to my memory?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:30:30 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Damien P. Neil) writes:
>First of all, thanks to all the people who responded to my question about
>running X with 4 megs RAM!
>
>So far as I can tell, something is happening to a fair chunk of the memory
>on my machine when I run under Linux. I just tried to compile NetHack, and
>get out of memory errors...with a six meg swap partition active! Something
>is wrong here...

Perhaps, but probably not.  GCC -O likes to eat memory like it is going
out of style.  I have 16M RAM and still swap every once in a while if
I have a few X terms and whatever around and do a big compile (try
compiling xv sometime).

>
>Is there a way that I can check how much available memory I have? The Linux
>equivilent of DOS mem?

Use "free".  Running "top" in another VC (or other xterm :-) is a good
way to see what processes are doing what.

>
>Anyone have any idea on where my memory is going? I'm using the latest SLS
>distribution.

4M is really not enough (IMO) when you are talking about C development
and X windows.  I have been recommending at least 8M to my clients for
years now (when memory was a lot more expensive than it is now).  16M
seems about right these days if you are doing C development under X11.

>
>Thanks again!
>-----
>Damien Neil   [e-mail]    "Until somebody debugs reality, the best

Have fun.

- Ken

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